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>But this is a non-sequitur. Not only that, it is false. As Steve
already pointed
>out, both Ignatius and Irenaeus clearly spoke of Trinity.

Steve didn't pint out any such thing. You guys are READING the trinity
into what they wrote and that is the point Matthew. It was NOT the
trinity that you believe in because THE trinity was not formed until
the 3rd Century. Neither of you has yet to disprove this. Quoting
Ignatius and Irenaeus as "proof" they believed in the trinity is wrong.
They didn't:

Even if Ignatius had said that the Son was equal to the Father in
eternity, power, position, and wisdom, it would still not be a Trinity,
for nowhere did he say that the holy spirit was equal to God in those
ways. But Ignatius did not say that the Son was equal to God the Father
in such ways or in any other. Instead, he showed that the Son is in
subjection to the One who is superior, Almighty God.

Ignatius calls Almighty God "the only true God, the unbegotten and
unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the
only-begotten Son," showing the distinction between God and His Son.
He speaks of "God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." And he
declares: "There is one God, the Almighty, who has manifested Himself
by Jesus Christ His Son."

******Ignatius shows that the SON WAS NOT ETERNAL AS A PERSON BUT WAS
CREATED, for he has the Son saying: "The Lord [Almighty God] created
Me, the beginning of His ways."*****

Similarly, Ignatius said: "There is one God of the universe, the
Father of Christ, 'of whom are all things;' and one Lord Jesus
Christ, our Lord, 'by whom are all things.'"13 He also writes:

"The Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ,
. . . even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received
from the Father. For, says He [the Son], 'the word which ye hear is
not Mine, but the Father's, who sent Me.'"14

"There is one God who manifested himself through Jesus Christ his
Son, who is his Word which proceeded from silence and in every respect
pleased him [God] who sent him. . . . Jesus Christ was subject to the
Father."15

True, Ignatius calls the Son "God the Word." But using the word
"God" for the Son does not necessarily mean equality with Almighty
God. The Bible also calls the Son "God" at Isaiah 9:6. John 1:18
calls the Son "the only-begotten god." Being vested with power and
authority from Jehovah God, the Father, the Son could properly be
termed a "mighty one," which is what "god" basically
means.-Matthew 28:18; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Hebrews 1:2.

>No, it is not. You haven't read any history of the Liturgy, have you?

Which "liturgy" are you referring too? Are you catholic?

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