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In article <151.00.15.05.987547000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
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>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
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>> Duh. Just pick a perspective and stick with it. If you
>>>want to be temporal, then you have to deal with God
>>>predetermining the entire course of history.
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>> But this is not possible. This is WHY when people speak of eternal
>> things, they switch back and forth all the time between temporally
>> bound language and non-temporally bound language.
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>It's fine if they want to switch back and forth.
Good to hear you concede at least this much...
> The trouble is that they drag their terminology back and forth with
>them and then make contradictions out of them and draw conclusions
>from them that don't follow. Just because "choice" means something
>temporally, doesn't mean it has the same meaning eternally, and so we
>can't draw _eternal_ conclusions from our _temporal_ definitions.
>We need to stick with one frame of reference when we
>draw conclusions.
That would be convenient, but since it is not always correct, you go
too far when you insist on this.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)
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