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matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:

>>I wonder if you can supply a reference to support you
>>theorem "God is supreme simplicity." And I wonder if
>>He's insulted.
>
> Well, I don't wonder. I know that He is not.
>
> As for references, provide _me_ a reference to support your outrageous
> claim that we don't "have the data" to define will in the two contexts
> above.

This is classic Matthew. First he accuses me of trying to
be a mind-reader, then he claims to know the mind of God.
The cherry on top of his irrational, rambling, pointless
bather is that I'm now supposed to supply proof that something
doesn't exist, namely, I'm supposed to supply proof that
he can't read God's mind. I sure don't have time or energy
for nonsense like that.

Bart

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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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>
>
> paul4deb@hawknet.com.au wrote:
>
> >> No it doesn't. Ezekiel preaches to the dry bones and they hear
> >> and come to life. Jesus calls Lazarus out of the tomb.
> >>
> >> If death is unconscious, then how do you tell the difference between
> >> a dead person and a sleeping person?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Metaphoric expressions like the "bones" hearing are a common literary
> > device that in no way supports the view that the dead are conscious.
> > (Abel's "blood" crying to God from the ground is another)
>
> My point here isn't to claim that dry bones and blood and the
> sea are "conscious" in the way we are, but that there might be
> all sort of modes of things that are like awareness or consciousness
> that we have no words to describe.
>
>
> > If Lazarus was conscious, where was that consciousness during the four
> > days his body lay in the tomb?
>
> Who says consciousness has location?
>
>
>
> > To answer your question, a sleeping person still has bodily activity
> > and, at the subconcscious level, brain activity.
>
> So it's only a physical thing? We call sleeping people "unconscious",
> and yet when we call them, they wake up. They have a form of awareness
> that is different from consciousness.
>
>
> > Obviously, there is a difference between the two states.
>
> The main point is that there are a lot more than two states.
>
>
> > What is our state in death?
>
> You can't use the process of elimination unless you can identify
> all possible states.
>
Bart, did you purposefully disregard Paul's comment:

"On this point I am in good company, as Martin Luther also held that the
soul sleeps in death until the resurrection."

I would have expected you to either claim the Paul was in error and that
Luther did not so teach, or to at least address the point, and tell us that
Luther was incorrect on this particular point.

Gary




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