Radhasoami

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Radhasoami is the name given to the spiritual science of Sant Mat first presented by Swami Ji Maharaj.

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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

>>>God did NOT cause Judas to betray Jesus.
>>
>>
>> Do you have any basis for that last statement? We
>> don't know what God will is.
>
> Well, we do know what God has revealed concerning
> His will.

But we don't know _all_ of God's will, and specifically,
you still don't have any evidence that God did not
will Judas to betray Jesus.


> God desires all to be saved and none to
> perish, hence I would conclude

The Bible says paradoxical things about God's
will. We see Him judging between men, spitting them
from His mouth, hating men, etc. OTOH we see Him
giving His life for them and desiring that all be
saved.

Until you resolve this paradox, you can't conclude
anything valid, because you're just drawing conclusions
from half the story. The issue of "God's will" is
very deep, which is why we are shown seemingly
contradictory views of it. Before you can conclude
anything, you need to embrace the paradox.



> So some things we do know. For example,

Which of these examples show that you know what
God willed for Judas?


> That God KNEW that Judas would choose as he did
> did not force Judas to do so. The determination
> was made by Judas' SELF.

So you're saying that God constructed His salvation
plan around Judas' choice?


>>>>I have so much influence
>>>>in my congregation, that me just saying what I prefer
>>>>would decide almost any vote.
>>>
>>>With them, maybe, with most on this list, no.
>>
>>
>> And that's relevant how?
>
> Well, how was it relevant for you to put it
> to begin with?
>
> Seems like you are a "god" to them??
>
> You could control their "free choices?"

It should be clear: If I, a mere man (who doesn't
even want to control the vote, but has to be
careful not to accidently influence it) has this
much clout, how much more so God (and Satan.)



>>>>How much more influence does Satan have over us?
>>>
>>>Well, I could refer you to James, as he speaks
>>>directly to this, but I think you already know
>>>this.
>>
>>
>> You'd better supply a citation, because you haven't
>> answered the question.
>
> I think that the quote from James speaks to this.


And which quote would that be? So far, none of
the verses you've cited indicate that we have
free will, so you'd better be specific about what
you think James said.


>> In what possible and bizarre sense of "free" is a
>> slave, who is beaten until he does his labor considered
>> to have a "free choice" to comply?
>
> I don't consider that if one forces me to commit
> a crime that I have freely chosen to do it.

Sure you do. You _could_ have chosen to suffer more
pain or die rather than commit the crime, but you
"freely" chose not to.


>> This is my main point here: In your definitions, everyone
>> is free. But the slave doesn't agree. Nor does the
>> drug addict. Nor does Scripture. If everyone is free,
>> then "free" has no meaning.
>
> It is easy to say, "nor does Scripture," but a
> little harder to prove it.

The burden here is on you. You're asserting the
existance of something, not me. Find some support
for free will in Scripture.

>>>[BUT and this is a big BUT: God controls all things including
>>>all our free will choices.
>
>> This is a complete and flat-out oxymoron.
>
> No, I don't think it is an oxymoron.
>
> The control is through influence not coercion.

If you're God, then what's the difference between
influence and coercion?

Bart

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