Oblate
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"Bart Goddard"
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> > Isaiah 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have
> > not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth
> > grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
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> Seen many grapes with free will?
see them miss the point completely?
> > The difference, as I see it, Bart, between us is that I believe God
> > uses persuasive means to save all.
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> No you don't. You believe that the majority of people go to hell.
Yes I do. Don't tell me what I believe please!
God does not force against the will.
> And God didn't grab any of them by the scruff of the neck and
> haul them away from the brink, like a loving parent would, but
> only yelled warnings at them.
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating
even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Who says He only yells wanrings at them? Who says how He
convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgment? You keep trying
to make statements about what I believe I have not said.
You don't like me putting words in your mouth, so stop do
that to me. Look what He did to Paul. And Jonah. Some people
are really stubborn.
> > the few. That is OK. I believe that the God who could save all
> > "against their wills," as Calvinism claims is possible, but does not
> > do so, is not Omnibenevolent.
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> There's nothing benevolent about letting people spend _eternity_
> napping on a white-hot matress when you could have yanked
> them back.
Exactly! So now you agree with me!
> > I see Isa 5:4 to indicate that God does ALL He can justly do to save
> > all.
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> Certainly God can do more than suggest wise courses of action?
> If you proclaim that He does "ALL He can" and then turn around
> and say that "all He did was coax a bit", then your God is
> pretty ineffectual.
He does what He can justly and rightously do. He does not
force man's will. He does not force you do believe.
> > All of us "fight against God." But only some continue the fight till
> > death. My spirit will not always strive with man.
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> What causes us not to fight against God?
People are not all the same. Some give up early, some late,
some never.
> >> > So God knows that some He creates will refuse His offer
> >> > of mercy. So What? They could have accepted it.
> >>
> >> And the child could have heeded his parents' advice
> >> not to play in the highway. So that relieve the
> >> parents of responsibility?
> >
> > I don't agree with your comparison. The God of Calvinism
> > pushes the child into oncomming traffic! This is a more
> > correct comparison.
>
> In our legal system, and in our sense of justice, both
> parents go to jail. My point here is that your attempt
> to make God nicer has failed miserably. (And this is
> the whole motivation for introducing free-will doctrine.)
No they do not fail at all. And you are just sidesteping the point,
yet again! The God of Calvinism PUSHES the child into
oncomming traffic! And evidently so does the God of Lutheranism,
but since I have never been a Lutheran, I cannot say for
certainl.. I have studied Calvinism for over thirty years,
and been an Elder in two Refomed Churches.
I have Linski's Commentary on the NT and have
found him to be excellent on most points.
He cleaverly pointed out that,
John 10:26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I
said to you.
does not read
John 10:26 "But you CAN not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I
said to you.
The difference is monumental. It is infinite.
> > The God of Calvinism creates the Child so the he CANNOT
> > obey his parents! This is a more correct parallel.
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> Your God does the same thing. He creates the child know
> 100% that the child is going to hell. You can't redeem
> God in the way you're attempting.
No He does not. The difference is infinite. Bart stop to think
for a second.
> >> "Opportunity" is a decision theology word. The use of
> >> the word is the lid on a can of worms. Did Jesus die
> >> to pay for our sins, or just to buy us an "opportunity"
> >> to be saved? Is your model for salvation that only those
> >> who take advantage of the "offered opporunity" get to
> >> be saved? (This is smack dab in the middle of the
> >> works righteousness which started our discussion.)
> >
> > I use the figures Christ uses. Like the serpent being lifted up.
> > And the OT offerings, which were made for ALL without
> > exception, but benefited only those who applied it by faith.
>
> Offerings, in Scripture, are _given to_ God. At no point
> does God offer us anything. And note your sentence:
> "benefitted only those who applied it by faith". A person
> in your system has figure out how to save himself. Only
> those very clever people who figure out what to do get saved.
Another dodge. You and Bob and Loren all just dodge, and
NEVER reply to what God says. I am gettin tired of having
no response to Scripture.
> How can you think such works-righteous theology is Scriptural?
> How can you, in good conscience, drag God into your anti-Gospel
> doctrine by claiming that He says what you say?
I just quote what He says. You just do not addess it.
So what more can I do? Just like God, I can do no more.
> >> Jesus IS the Door, He doesn't just open the door and
> >> watch to see who happens to wander in.
> >
> > John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto
> > you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are
> > thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:
> > by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out,
> > and find pasture.
> >
> > He is the door, but we must enter by faith.
>
> The "Gospel, but" is never the Gospel. There are no "buts"
> in the Gospel. Whatever follows "but" is salvation by works.
Well, God said it. And that settles it.
Gary
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