Jakub
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Slovak
Etymology
From Latin Iacobius
Proper Noun
- Jakub m, Jakubi or Jakubovia pl
- Jakub stem
- Jakuba gen sg
- declension pattern chlap
Derived Words
basicallyblues
> >Jesus Himself "climbed" up into heaven; Enoch was taken up.
>
> the Bible does not say Enoch was taken *up*.
FWIW, NASB says "up".
> It says he was taken. It says nothing about heaven.
I want to take the time to fully answer your post, but I'm a little
short of time at the moment. In the meantime, I want to address one
specific point:
[...]
Concerning John 3:13, I wrote:
>
> >What this verse clearly demonstrates is Jesus' majesty, power, and
> >ability. It does not indicate that no one has ever been taken into
> >heaven.
>
> That's exactly what it says. Besides Jesus did not descend to earth
> under his own power but was sent by God.
I agree that Jesus was sent by God. However, it cannot be more clear in
the Greek that Jesus descended from Heaven by His direct action -- just
as He "ascended" to Jerusalem by His direct action of walking.
Both statements are true:
1) The Father sent Jesus, and
2) Jesus went by His own direct action.
>
> according to how the Greek word "anabaino" is used throughout
> scripture. THERE IS NO clear distinction between "ascending" under
> one's own power or not.
All I can tell you is check any introductory Greek text. Greek verbs
have tense, voice, mood, case, gender, and person. You might find
http://www.ntgreek.net/lesson12.htm helpful. In John 3:13, the verb is
present tense, acive voice.
> At both Rev. 8:4;11:7; 14:11 the smoke "ascended".
Sure. Present tense, active voice. Smoke rises because of it's nature
(it's less dense than air).
>
> we do not see a clear usage of "anabaino" as you say.
Please don't say "we". Those of us who have actually studied Koine
Greek don't share your uncertainty.
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