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In article <92204EC1-76D2-EADE-75A8-6ADB19764611@srcbs.org>, Gary says...
>
>Greetings Matthew:
>
>Please see below.
>"Matthew Johnson" wrote

[snip]

>I've read many Greek experts that say, because of the gender
>of the
>words, faith cannot be the item referred to, but what is
>referred
>to must be salvation by grace through faith, asa you point
>out.

But please notice: though we agree on the end result, we still disagree on the
method. For your Robertson quote is oversimplifiying, and despite his evident
expertise, he left himself too open to Kuyper's criticism. My explanation does
not have this weakness.

>
>See for example Robertson who says:
>{For by grace} (th gar cariti). Explanatory reason. "By the
>grace" already mentioned in verse #5 and so with the
>article. {Through faith} (dia pistewv). This phrase he adds
>in repeating what he said in verse #5 to make it plainer.
>"Grace" is God's part, "faith" ours. {And that} (kai touto).
>Neuter, not feminine tauth, and so refers not to pistiv
>(feminine) or to cariv (feminine also),

But this is where he oversimplifies. It is true that GENERALLY, the ancient
authors observe the rule of gender agreement here, but it is not so compulsory
as one might imagine.

> but to the act of
>being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part.

And this, of course, is the final conclusion on which we are agreed.

> Paul
>shows that salvation does not have its source (ex umwn, out
>of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God's gift
>(dwron) and not the result of our work.
>
>But I've also read a long paper by Kuyper in which he calls
>all these
>"so-called" Greek experts "neophytes."

Well, that was unjustifiable.

>(evidently it is a
>fundamental basic of Greek
>grammar about this gender issue, for I can find numerous
>Greek scholars
>who repeat what Robertson says above.) Strange indeed,
>that ones with the age, reputation, and credentials of all
>those who oppose
>him (Kuyper) can label as "neophytes!"

Strange, but no stranger than any of the many other manifestations of runaway
pride. For that _is_ what Kuyper exhibited when calling all these scholars
'neophytes'.

>("The Work of the
>Holy Spirit,"
>chapter 39, DEFECTIVE LEARNING)

Now who would want to take the word of such a proud man on such a topic as the
Holy Spirit? Clearly only the humble have the right to speak about the Holy
Spirit. That is why I will pass over the works of Calvin and Kuyper and
concentrate instead on what St. Seraphim of Sarov had to say about the Grace of
the Holy Spirit. And I do it with NO hesitation!

[snip]

See http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/wonderful.aspx for the most famous
example of what the great saint had to say on this topic.

NB: I can't recommend much else on that website. But this is a great source for
a few topics, this is one of them.


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)


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