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"Matthew Johnson"
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> In article <152.32.09.05.627127000@srcbs.org>, Gary McNees says...
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> [snip]
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> >> That's a tautology. The difficulty here is that you
> >> don't know what God says. You keep citing irrelevant
> >> verses. Find a verse that says something about man's
> >> freedom of choice.
> >
> >I have posted many of them. But you refuse to listen.
>
> Yes, he does. But don't make it easier for him to get away with this by
writing
> such LONG posts;)
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >> Like Luther, Augustine and Aquinas evolved. They say things
> >> at one time which they deny later or recast differently in
> >> a more wise light. Try reading ALL of Augustin and Aquinas
> >> and see if they agree with you toward the end of their
> >> lives.
> >
> >Well that's a lot to read.
>
> True. So it was really unfair of Bob to demand that of you. I'm not
surprised,
> though.
>
> > I'll let Matthew address it for he
> >seems to have read them a lot. I do know that Augustine
> >changed late in life, and changed his position on free will.
>
> And when he 'changed' it, he changed it to bring it MORE in line with the
> Catholic Tradition, not less, as the Calvinists so disingenuously claim.
For in
> one of his last works on the topic, De Gratia et Libero Arbitrio, he is
far
> closer to Sts. Chrysostom and John Cassian than he EVER was to Calvin and
> Luther. I have already quoted often from that work to expose the Calvinist
> fraud.
>
> And yet Calvinists and Lutherans continue to see support for their
disastrous
> dogmas in Augustine! How do they do this? By selective reading. BIASED
selective
> reading.
>
> >But Thomas did not. Thomas wrote extensively about
> >how free will (contingent events) are compatible with
> >God's knowledge.
>
> And this part, Aquinas got essentially correct.
Thank you Matthew for this post.
A friend of mine told me that in Augustine's
"retractations" he repudiated "free will."
I don't have access to this. Do you care
to comment on what Augustine wrote
with reference to free will in one of his
last works, I think, the "retractations?"
Thanks, Gary
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