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> > At both Rev. 8:4;11:7; 14:11 the smoke "ascended".
>
> >Sure. Present tense, active voice. Smoke rises because of it's nature
> >(it's less dense than air).
>
> It's nature is dependent on "nature" thus it does not rise by it's "own
> power" which was the other guy's point.
Depends, partly, on how you look at it. Smoke rises because it is less
dense than air. You can say, "the smoke rises" and be perfectly correct
that it is the smoke that is doing the rising. You could also say, "the
smoke is being buoyed up".
In this case, however, you are imposing your viewpoint on the Greek
mind. That's eisegesis, not exegesis.
> The distinction between "going up by your own power" vs. being "taken up"
> Take away the fundamental physical laws and smoke would not rise.
> Ascension to heaven would not required nor be dependant upon physical
> laws.
You are completely missing the point of Greek verbs. With both the
ascension/decension of Jesus, and the ascension of smoke, the verbs have
present tense, active voice, indicative mood. That means that the
object of the verb is doing the acting. If they were being acted upon,
then the verbs would use the passive voice.
>
> > we do not see a clear usage of "anabaino" as you say.
> >Please don't say "we". Those of us who have actually studied Koine
> >Greek don't share your uncertainty.
>
> I have studied some Koine Greek. And, remember, Biblical Greek is not
> the same as modern Greek,
I happen to know that, which is why I've never mentioned modern Greek.
Why introduce a red herring?
> The only way to fully understand Biblical Greek is seeing it's usage in
> the Bible and contemporary documents written in Koine Greek.
Well, duh. So home come you never actually refer to the nuances of the
Greek? Why do you not bring up the differences between the active,
middle, and passive voices with Greek verbs?
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