In article <134.18.14.05.086749000@srcbs.org>, Streamer says...
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>"Matthew Johnson" wrote in message
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>> In article <133.02.12.05.177655000@srcbs.org>, Streamer says...
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>>>Now, back to the topic.
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>> So why are you _avoiding_ the topic?
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>Who told you?
You did. You forgot already?
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>>>There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
>>>(Rom 8:1 RSVA)
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>> Wrong. I do not accept that version of the text. Nor should you. It really
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>> There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
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>> walk not according to the flesh. (Rom 8:1)
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>So why did you post Rom 8:1 RSVA ?
Because I was showing you the _variety_ of different versions. Remember: I
started out with the observation that there is a famous textual difficulty here.
DIfferent translations follow different texts in this verse. THAT is the point I
am trying to make clear to you.
>> For without that "who walk not according to the flesh", you WILL
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>> who he is referring to, when he sayd "who are in Christ Jesus". He does
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>> everybody who ever shouted out "I believe in Jesus! I'm saved"!
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>Agree.
>Many people claim. But without the Spirit of God in them, it's a false
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>This is what I've posted:
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>Rom 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ
>Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
And which translation are you following when you do this? Remember: that was my
original question.
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quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
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gpatton@bayou.com wrote:
> lsend...@hotmail.com wrote:
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>>Gary McNees wrote:
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>>>>If you insist that this is "free will", fine; just so we
>>>>know what we're talking about. As Henry Ford said about
>>>>his Model T "You can have any color you want, as long as
>>>>it's black."
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>>>I mean by free will that my choices are self-determined.
>>>I mean that I can choose between alternatives.
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>>ONLY after being regenerated. Again, Rom 3:10. In fact, Rom 1 & 2.
>>Man is dead. "In Adam ALL died." "All have sinned."
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> Not to worry about that. Add this: 1 Corinthians 15:22 "
